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Minutes: February 20, 2021
A. OPENING OF BUDGET MEETING
1. Call to Order
A budget meeting of the Randolph Township Council was called to order at 8:30 a.m. by Mayor Forstenhausler. This meeting is held pursuant to the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Adequate and electronic notice of the meeting has been provided by posting written notice of the time, date, location and to the extent known, the agenda of the meeting in Randolph Township. This notice was posted on the Bulletin Board within Town Hall, on the main entrance doors to Town Hall, it was filed with the Township Clerk, and it was provided to those persons or entities requesting notification. Notice was also provided to the Randolph Reporter and the Morris County Daily Record on December 2, 2020, by emailing them the annual resolution adopted by the Council on November 12, 2020. The annual resolution, which included this meeting date, was advertised in the Randolph Reporter, the official newspaper of the Township of Randolph and the Daily Record on December 10, 2020. The amended annual resolution was adopted by the Council on January 21, 2021 and notice was provided by email to the Randolph Reporter, the Morris County Daily Record and TapInto Randolph on January 22, 2021, The amended annual resolution which included this meeting date was advertised in the Randolph Report, the official newspaper of Randolph Township and the Morris County Daily Record on January 28, 2021.
2. Roll Call
Deputy Mayor Potter
Also present: Township Manager Mountain and Darren Maloney
3. Pledge of Allegiance
Mayor Forstenhausler led the Pledge of Allegiance.
B. OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
Seeing no one from the public, the public portion was closed.
C. REVIEW OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
Manager Mountain explained:
- Road Overlays—the request for general overlays is for $900,000, which was the same amount requested in 2020. The figure reflects the progress made in prior years from aggressively funding the overlay program. The balance remaining from the prior year’s funding rounds will be available to supplement the 2021 request if necessary. Over the past year, the DPW completed a comprehensive re-evaluation of all the roads. A re-evaluation of the highest priority roads will be conducted in March. The results of the evaluations will be reviewed with the Infrastructure Council Work Group before a final recommendation is made to the Township Council.
- Calais Road State Aid Project—the township received a $350,000 state aid grant for the resurfacing of Calais Road. The state approved the township’s petition to modify the grant to be applied towards the worst section of the roadway (between Dover Chester Road to the stream crossing just beyond Edgewood Terrace). This allows the township to resurface the remaining section of the roadway in the following year by utilizing township funds. The remaining section is expected to require less funding, allowing it to be absorbed in the annual overlay program. He reminded the council that the township has also received state aid for Franklin Road and a section of Park Avenue.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked about the granted state funds for the total road. Manager Mountain informed him that the state granted the total amount; however, it required that the township match a significant amount. The road was reviewed and it was determined that the second section of Calais was not in as desperate a need; therefore the modification was requested to complete the first section.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked if the township’s match was now 10%. Manager Mountain confirmed that he was correct and shared that if the township had gone for the total project the match would have likely been closer to 50%.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked where the additional funds offered by the state would go. Manager Mountain informed him that the township is still getting the full amount; the funds were directed towards a phase of the project as opposed to the full project so the township can effectively fund the portion for two years. He clarified that the township was getting the full grant amount, but was just doing less of the project so the whole match would not have to come up this year.
Councilman Nisivoccia asked how much the grant amount was for. Manager Mountain informed him it was $350,000 for Calais Road.
Councilman Loveys asked about the capital program budget costs for Park Avenue; he inquired about the item’s budget differences for 2022 and 2023; he asked Manager Mountain where exactly the Franklin Road improvements would be taking place. Manager Mountain informed him that the improvements for Franklin Road were taking place from South Morris Street to the intersection of South Salem Street.
Councilman Loveys asked about previous plans that were discussed related to intersection improvements on the road that intersects Franklin Road after Gray Supply that goes up to Route 46. Manager Mountain responded that the project was completed and it has helped the flow of traffic.
Deputy Mayor Potter asked if there would be any changes to Calais Road because of Veterans Community Park. Manager Mountain responded that the township would be integrating striping changes implemented by an ordinance passed by the council; there would be no physical changes to the road itself. He explained that the area had been reviewed by the Police Department, and will be passed onto Traffic Advisory Committee to review.
- Retaining Walls—funding is requested to support the design of the next retaining wall project to be determined this spring by the Infrastructure Work Group. The budget request will go toward the design on Mountainside Road and on Franklin Road. The township has remaining funds from the prior year; depending on the project, the township might be able to proceed with the selected project construction utilizing these funds. If decided otherwise, the project would be budgeted for in 2022. There is an inventory of walls that still have to be addressed, but the township has made significant progress.
Councilwoman Veech asked if the township had gone out to bid for the Millbrook Avenue Retaining Wall project. Manager Mountain confirmed that it went out to bid; he could not recall the award.
- Fire-Replacement of PPE—the township, in conjunction with the Fire Department, funds a placeholder to replace a certain portion of gear annually to avoid large replacement costs in a single year and keep up with safety standards. The department will replace obsolete Personal Protective Equipment (PPE); upgrade their self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA), in addition to replacing fire hoses. The department is deferring the replacement of vehicles to 2022.
Mayor Forstenhausler shared that he and the Fire Department went out for a grant for the SCBA equipment cost the previous year. He informed the council that the grant was much more competitive and was slightly lower this year than in the past; however, he would continue to monitor it. He continued to provide information about the requirements for SCBA, firefighters and fire hoses.
Councilman Loveys asked if the township was looking to pay the cost within 15 years. Manager Mountain and Darren Maloney informed him that it would likely be sooner.
Councilman Nisivoccia asked about the $80,000 figure for SCBA Upgrades in the 2024 Capital Improvements Program Budget. Mayor Forstenhausler informed Councilman Nisivoccia that it was for hydro testing; the bottles last 15 years and must be hydro tested every 5 years.
- Rescue Squad Equipment—the township funded one power stretcher last year and will fund one this year. This is becoming more of the norm in first aid equipment for the transport of patients; it enables the first responders to raise and lower the stretcher electronically. This will avoid injury to the first responders and assist them with lifting the patient more efficiently.
Councilman Nisivoccia asked how the current power stretcher was working out. Manager Mountain informed him that he would get back to him.
Manager Mountain reported that the budget was also asking for funding for four automated Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) devices. The devices will be used to provide CPR during cardiac arrest and allow the volunteers to perform additional life saving tasks. The Rescue Squad identifies the device as an industry standard.
Councilman Loveys asked why the squad needed more devices. Manager Mountain responded that the devices are portable and are needed for responding to incidents.
Councilwoman Veech asked Manager Mountain if the township would advertise CPR classes to residents when COVID-19 was over. Manager Mountain informed her that it was discussed in the early part of spring last year; the discussion stopped due to the pandemic. Councilwoman Veech asked if any money was needed for the classes. Manager Mountain informed her that the squad was in a good position to offer the classes.
There was a brief discussion about the use of defibrillators and the location of the equipment at the municipal building.
- Training Aid-Mannequin—replace with a more lifelike mannequin, with heart beating, pulse, etc. This allows for a couple of mannequins to be used for training.
- Rescue Squad Equipment—replacing radios on a rolling basis.
Improvement to Municipal Facilities:
- Chiller Replacement—the heating and chilling units for the municipal building go back to the building’s original design. The chiller is coming to the end of its useful life. Manager Mountain recommended that in the final budget the cash for design monies be turned into a down payment for the chiller replacement. It is an estimated $180,000-$190,000 for the full replacement, the majority of it will show up as debt authorized as opposed to cash.
Deputy Mayor Potter asked how long the new chiller is expected to last. Manager Mountain responded that he hopes to get 30 years out of it.
Mayor Forstenhausler suggested that if need be the monies for the fountain in the entrance area could applied towards the chiller replacement, as it was more important. Manager Mountain believed that both the projects could be accommodated, but that would also be considered.
- Fountain—this has been discussed for many years. The plan is to remove the fountain and come up with a more organic design feature, whether it is a raised garden or sculpture from the liberty tree. The idea is to create something that balances with the design already at the front of the building and to have it be a simple concept that is easy to maintain. There will be some additional landscaping added to match the landscaping on the side of the building. The great deal of cost will be towards the demolition and removal of the fountain. Before anything is implemented with the project, priority projects will be considered and discussed with the council.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked about the preservation of the plaque and plexi-glass located in the front of the Municipal Building. Manager Mountain informed him that the plexi-glass was tied to a larger project related to the atrium and its ceilings; there is money to integrate it into one project in a year or two. Manager Mountain informed the council that there would be some painting done in the atrium as well.
- Cleaning Ducts—money will be applied towards the cleaning of the duct system this year. It will be done in all of the buildings.
Councilman Nisivoccia asked if there was ultraviolet light in the system. Clerk Luciani informed him that the lights were used in the hallways, but were not a part of the current HVAC system; they would look into including the feature with the new system.
Manager Mountain stated that township has been utilizing backpack sprayers on a weekly basis; there has been a relatively low amount of people infected at the Municipal Building. The employees in town hall that have gotten Covid have gotten it from contact with people outside of work.
- Carpet Replacement—the township has slowly been looking to replace carpet in the Municipal Building. Areas for replacement have been identified; some areas have already been replaced.
- Installation of Gutter Guards—installing guards will resolve issues of water getting into the building and aid with drainage.
- Air Handlers
D. REVIEW OF OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION TRUST
This was incorporated into Darren Maloney’s review below.
E. REVIEW OF FUND BALANCE (SURPLUS) GENERAL FUND/UTILITY FUNDS
Darren Maloney reviewed the Parks Financial Plan. He discussed the township’s annual tax and explained that he expected that the township’s ratable base would flatten over the next several years; he stated that the base slightly increased from 2020 to 2021. Mayor Forstenhausler asked if the rest of the figures were projections. Mr. Maloney confirmed that the remaining figures were projected; he did not expect interest rates to spike dramatically.
He briefly discussed the Reserves for Park Trail Improvements and explained that it displayed the cash spending that would be done every year; it is also reflected in the Capital Budget. Manager Mountain explained how the figures affected future projections.
Mr. Maloney explained that the expected balances for the upcoming years were healthy. Manager Mountain explained that fund balance positioning in the current 10-year plan allowed for the funding of the next 10-year plan.
Mayor Forstenhausler mentioned that he had been approached by a few members of the Recreation Advisory Committee to discuss the possibility of having a storage building and some form of cover or overhang installed. He stated that the committee members were told the project was not in the 10-year plan and that they would have to wait until the current plan was concluded.
Manager Mountain responded that if the project had a relatively small cost, would not be viewed as competing for other decisions, and/or was an emergent need, then it would be considered for integration in the current plan. He recommended that the council not get larger-scale projects involved in the current 10-year plan as it could potentially encourage other groups to feel they could add to the current plan. He stated that the purpose of the plan was to keep the council from having to have those annual project discussions.
Councilman Loveys understood the request as being specific to the football program. He recalled that programs would typically fundraise for these types of projects, with or without the 10-year plan.
Mayor Forstenhausler responded that the storage shed would be used for football, in addition to other programs; he stated that the project could potentially be discussed as a recommendation.
Manager Mountain informed them that there are generally worded placeholders in the plan that likely had the flexibility to accomplish similar projects depending on their scope.
Councilwoman Veech asked what a lower cost vs. a major cost was for projects. Manager Mountain informed the councilwoman that if a project fell in line with improvements to the park it could be considered. If the project was something specific to one program, program boosters should raise the money.
Brundage Park Turf Field—Mr. Maloney reviewed the Brundage-Sussex Park Turf Field and Bleacher project. He anticipated bonding for the project in 2023. He shared that along with the standard debt service, a $60,000-$80,000 down payment was included for a bond ordinance. In 2024, 2025, and 2026, he included a theoretical debt service payment to start paying the bonds off. He was wary of the potential for change orders, and informed the council that as the project approaches the estimated cost was likely to go up.
Mr. Maloney reviewed the current debt service of the Open Space fund. He discussed the 2018 bond sale, which included funding for Calais Park and Freedom Park, and the 2015 bond sale, which was used to fund an ordinance from 2008 to purchase land. He informed the council that there were no notes outstanding for the fund. He expected that no additional bonds would be needed up until the funding for Brundage Park.
Councilman Loveys asked what the 2015 bond sale was for. Mr. Maloney informed him that they were for old ordinances that needed to be funded for 2008; he informed the councilman that the bonds funded those improvement authorizations.
Mr. Maloney explained that he files an Annual Debt Statement (ADS) with the state. He stated that the state has specific thresholds and that this one was 3.5%; Randolph is at 0.4%.
General Fund-the grand total of the township’s debt is very low; it stays flat throughout the next 16 years. Council members pointed out that the figures in the fund were decreasing. Mr. Maloney confirmed that it was decreasing and explained that the flattening was from a percentage standpoint. Manager Mountain added that the council should keep in mind that there was a likelihood of a bond sale during that period, so it left a slot for additional debt.
Councilman Loveys asked if adding the 2015 and 2018 bond figures would be consistent with the numbers in the budget for debt service. Mr. Maloney confirmed that it would tie out to the $883k in the budget book; he explained that adding the $812k from the 2015 bond with the 70K from 2018 provided the total.
Mr. Maloney explained that the Open Space Debt Service was not part of the general budget. Manager Mountain explained that the debt associated with Open Space tied back to the Open Space Trust.
Councilwoman Veech asked when Manager Mountain believed the next big project would take place. Manager Mountain responded that the recreation projects were budgeted for in the 10-year plan; in terms of general township projects, he saw major vehicle purchases for the Fire Department and the purchasing of SCBA. He explained that it was difficult to say as various things could potentially be done to the township buildings within the next 10 years.
Councilman Nisivoccia asked about the debt authorized for the first phase of the Calais Road improvements. Mr. Maloney explained how notes and bonds worked in relation to yield curves. He stated that the capital fund was in a healthy position. There was a brief discussion about cash flow positioning and bond sales. Manager Mountain explained that ultimately it was likely that the large projects would be rolled up in a bond sale, though it was hard to say when as the markets need to be watched and the township’s cash flow positioning has to be in the right condition before going into a long term debt situation.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked if the township was at the point to pay off bonds and refinance them. Mr. Maloney explained that the township’s bonds were given at low rates; the township got the 2015 bonds at a 2.97% interest rate and the 2018 bonds at a 2.91% interest rate. He explained that when refunding or refinancing a bond the important thing to consider was if the expenses being taken on would be enough to offset the costs of the bond.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked if the township currently only had the 2015 and 2018 bonds issued; he asked if there was a limit as to when those bonds could be refinanced. Mr. Maloney informed Mayor Forstenhausler that he was referring to call features; the earliest the bonds could be called was 2026. He stated that township bonds that are due before 2026 are non-callable. Mr. Maloney explained the interest rate environments that could affect paying off the bonds.
Sewer Debt—debt is very low considering that it is a utility.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked if Mr. Maloney’s presentation would discuss the factors that contributed to why debt was welcomed when the township has a healthy balance. Mr. Maloney explained why the township went out for bonds in 2015 for sewer. He briefly explained that the township is in process of buying down anything that is anticipated bonding for in order to bring down the outstanding bond ordinances that are not funded to zero.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked if the 2015 bond sale for sewer was also 2.97%. Mr. Maloney confirmed that he was correct; he believed the bond was used to fund the Butterworth Project.
Councilman Loveys stated that the bond did not reflect the entirety of the Butterworth Project. Mr. Maloney confirmed that he was correct; he explained that the Butterworth Project was a several-phase project. Manager Mountain stated that there was a concern that the township was going to have to front the entire project, which led to negotiations and eventually turned it into a different project that no longer required the future phases to be funded for debt. He stated that the debt was for a small portion of the project. Councilman Loveys asked where this was reflected. Manager Mountain informed him that it was paid down with cash.
Councilman Loveys recalled bonding in previous budgets. Mr. Maloney informed the councilman that the township did have bond ordinances to fund the projects, but it was realized that the money was not needed for the project; the township then had budgeted for cash to pay it off. Manager Mountain explained that establishing a bond ordinance did not mean it would end up becoming debt. He stated that initially the project was set up to be debt-driven, but when the township’s good cash position was realized, it was decided to pay through cash.
Councilman Loveys asked why the township would go through the bond process if they were aware of the good cash position. Mr. Maloney responded that those decisions were made in 2014 or prior. Manager Mountain responded that the township anticipated paying for the entirety of the project; if they had known then, they likely would have funded it without any debt. He added that the amount of debt was very low and that everything else was being funded by cash.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked if the township would be able to pay off the balance on the 2015 bond sale for sewer with the balance in the sewer debt to save interest. Mr. Maloney informed him that it would not save on interest and explained that to pay off the balance, refunding would need to happen and the township would incur costs for bond counsel, accountants, etc.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked when the bond would be callable. Mr. Maloney informed him that it was under the same call features as the previously discussed bonds. All the bonds after 2026 are callable; if the township calls the bond, costs will be incurred for bond counsel, an investment bank, accountant, and a financial adviser, and the interest on the refunding bonds must be paid. He stated that the cost vs. the benefit would need to be weighed.
Councilwoman Veech clarified by providing a brief example. Deputy Mayor Potter commented that those factors would essentially be discussed in 2026.
Water Debt—debt is in a very good position.
Councilman Loveys asked about where the total debt service showed up. Mr. Maloney explained how the figure was broken down. Councilman Loveys asked about the three year average for the township’s total assessment. Mr. Maloney briefly discussed the township’s equalized valuation.
F. COUNCIL QUESTIONS/DISCUSSIONS
Councilwoman Carey thanked Manager Mountain, Darren Maloney, and the township department heads for their efforts and thorough presentations. She was pleased that there was no tax increase for Randolph residents.
Councilman Loveys referred to the Road Improvements. He asked why the township was looking to provide a $142,500 bond for the Calais Road project. He also asked why the project was treated differently from other road improvements and why it was not being paid in cash. Manager Mountain informed him that the project ended up being larger than the township could absorb; given that it was a larger project, it made sense to debt fund it. He discussed how the debt funding provided more flexibility as the township’s whole road program was $900,000, and the first phase of the Calais project was $500,000.
Mayor Forstenhausler added that the township was spending more than $900,000 for road surfacing. He stated that it was near $1.4 million with the Calais Road project included. Manager Mountain explained that the $900,000 was for local roads; the township always tries to supplement these projects with state aid.
Councilman Loveys asked if the remaining Capital Outlay items would be discussed. Manager Mountain informed him that the remaining items were relatively insignificant. He stated that most of the items were recurring projects or small projects that did not require additional explanation. He stated that if there were questions about the Capital Outlay items they would be addressed.
Councilman Loveys echoed Councilwoman Carey’s comments. He stated that everyone did a tremendous job under difficult circumstances. He appreciated everyone’s efforts. He inquired about the 2018 Cap Bank item in the Summary Levy Cap Calculations sheet.
Mr. Maloney explained that because the township canceled $494,000 of the capital improvement fund during the year to generate fund balance, the township gets hurt in the tax levy calculation. To address the impact, the township had to go back and use some banked money this year.
Manager Mountain explained that the ordinance was used for state accounting purposes and used to create flexibility; it did not significantly affect anything. He stated that the document was used to satisfy Trenton and to address their specifications. It did not affect anything in the budget and did not affect anything in the tax levy.
Councilman Loveys asked what would happen if the money had not been banked via ordinance. Mr. Maloney informed him that the township would have to go to a referendum. Manager Mountain stated that the township’s good position was driven by good budgeting, anticipating shortfalls, and examining discretionary expenditures. Manager Mountain and Mr. Maloney continued to explain how this process affects the budget and how the formula helps in the end.
Mr. Maloney referred back to Mayor Forstenhausler’s inquires about the sewer bonds. He clarified that the township could conceivably call the bonds in 2026. He explained that the township did not necessarily have to go out and refund bonds that could be paid off with cash, but the township would still have to hire accountants, attorneys, bond counsel, etc. He suggested that the township’s position be examined in 2026, and weigh if costs will not outweigh interest savings.
Councilwoman Veech commented that she has been thinking about how the township could become more digitalized. She stated that many corporations and entities are going through major changes with digitalization, artificial intelligence, and all kinds of systems. She asked if it would make sense to examine different township departments to determine if systems could be built to aid with manual work.
Manager Mountain responded that the township’s IT Director would be changed over in the middle of the year. The township will be looking for someone with a future view of where technology is going and that will help with moving towards technology investment. He stated that the township departments were currently using many systems of technology to assist with operations. He will bring the discussion back to the council once they get through the hiring stage.
Councilman Tkacs expressed his sincere appreciation for the professionalism and knowledge exhibited by Manager Mountain and Darren Maloney. He stated that they have mastered the budget process and the ability to manipulate the numbers in such a way that it has been successful for Randolph residents. He was impressed and appreciated their work.
Councilman Nisivoccia echoed the remarks made by previous council members. He stated that it was a good budget and thanked Manager Mountain and Darren Maloney.
Deputy Mayor Potter echoed previous council comments. She stated that the future of Randolph looked promising based on the laid-out budget. She commented that it was exciting to see how Randolph would grow and continue its services.
Mayor Forstenhausler echoed previous council comments. He stated that he was gratified and proud that the township was able to assemble a budget without an increase to property tax for a fifth consecutive year. He stated that it was a tribute to the work Manager Mountain, Darren Maloney, the township department heads, and the council working together throughout the budget process.
He stated that in a year that was difficult for many residents, the ability to keep the budget stable was a tribute to everyone present during the budget meetings and everyone working in the township. He stated that the budget was very well thought out and examined fiscal responsibilities.
He was slightly disappointed that members of the public were unable to attend and stated that this should be the biggest concern for residents. He informed the public that this was where taxpayer concerns could be addressed. He took the level of public participation for the meeting as a sign of residents’ confidence in the council as responsible stewards of their tax dollars. He concluded his comment by thanking everyone for their work.
Councilwoman Veech suggested that when the budget was approved the fact that there was no municipal tax increase should be communicated on the township’s Facebook page and website.
Councilwoman Carey asked if the council had any work to do with the Board of Education (BOE). Manager Mountain responded that the BOE would likely engage in a Zoom presentation or meeting.
Mayor Forstenhausler asked about the possibility of speaking with the BOE to hold that meeting in person. Manager Mountain stated that they would have to examine gathering restrictions and be wary of running the risk of filling the room capacity. The decision for a remote vs. a non-remote meeting would be made as the meeting approaches. He stated that once the decision was made for the meeting it could not be changed.
Councilman Tkacs shared that the Planning Board experienced a similar issue during one of their in-person meetings. He explained that a large number of residents showed up during a meeting and that some residents were unable to attend due to the high concentration of people. The residents expressed that it was unfair given the environment; he stated that they had a fair point.
G. FINAL DIRECTION TO MANAGER ON FINALIZATION OF BUDGET DOCUMENT
Manager Mountain and Darren Maloney will be prepared to introduce the budget on March 18, 2021; they will then submit the information to the state as required. Once the state signs off on the budget, the township will be ready to adopt and have a public hearing on the budget on April 22, 2021.
H. OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
Seeing and hearing none, the public portion was closed.
I. EXECUTIVE SESSION
WHEREAS, Section 8 of the Open Public Meetings Act, Chapter 231, P.L. 1975 (N.J.S.A. 10:4-12) permits the exclusion of the public from a meeting under certain circumstances; and
WHEREAS, this public body is of the opinion that such circumstances presently exist.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Mayor and Council of the Township of Randolph, in the County of Morris, and State of New Jersey, as follows:
1. The public shall be excluded from the Executive portion of the meeting.
2. The general nature of the subject matter to be discussed is as follows:
3. As nearly as now can be ascertained, the matter or matters to be discussed at this time will be disclosed to the public at such time and under such circumstances as are prescribed by law.
4. At the conclusion of the Executive Session, the Council may or may not reconvene in public session for the purpose of taking formal action.
Councilwoman Carey made a motion to move into Executive Session at 10:45 a.m. Councilman Nisivoccia seconded the motion, and the following roll call vote was taken:
Deputy Mayor Potter
Councilwoman Veech made a motion to close the Executive Session at 11:30 a.m. Councilman Tkacs seconded the motion, and the following roll call vote was taken:
Deputy Mayor Potter
Councilwoman Veech made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 11:32 a.m. Deputy Mayor Potter seconded the motion, and the following roll call vote was taken:
Deputy Mayor Potter